Looking at Dreamhost...

Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Psyren
Posted on: 2007-05-06 19:27:00

Hello all.

I'm Psyren, a current host at Elixant.com (a recently closed-down web host); who's looking for a possible new place to have my site hosted at.

Elixant had a very flexible plan, where I could pay 4 times a year (for around $11.20 each time), a free domain name, and double bandwidth for the entire time I choose to be hosted there.

Since the site however is no longer really running, I feel that I might need to choose to move and soon. I have a few friends hosted here and wanted to know what this site might be able to do for a refugee from a closing/closed hosting site.

Anyways, I'll be around as long as the weather is good (or I choose to head to bed), so any help would be lovely.

Thanks again!

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: moua
Posted on: 2007-05-06 19:34:00

They made a special offer for registerfly refugee.
But there are down hosting everyday...

however the first year is pretty cheap with a discount code.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-06 19:36:00

Well, with all the $97 promo codes there are, you can get 1 whole year at Dreamhost for $22.40.

But after that, you can't use the code and would have to pay the normal price, which is more than what you were paying. What you were paying could even by why they're no longer in business?

Anyway, if you were to switch to the cheapest monthly plan after your first year, you'd be looking at $9.95/month. The cheapest would be $7.95/month, but you'd have to pre-pay for two years.

You could always give it a shot. With year 1 being $22.40, it gives you plenty of money to put aside for a 2-year prepayment to get the lowest rate.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-06 19:38:00

Yeah, I think Registerfly was an extreme failure that triggered sympathy from just about everyone, including Dreamhost.

A host failing isn't really news, though. Now, if a host lasts past 1 year... that's news! wink

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Raz2133
Posted on: 2007-05-06 20:04:00

In reply to:

I have a few friends hosted here...


if you do decide to sign-up with DreamHost, I would suggest contacting one of your friends and having them create a custom promo code for you.

DreamHost promo codes can provide more than just a simple once-only cash discount, they can also provide feature bonuses, such as extra disk space and/or bandwidth, extra free domain registrations (on top of the one free lifetime registration provided with all plans) or unique IP addresses. These feature bonuses persist for as long as you host with DreamHost, so it is definitely worth sitting down with one of your friends and deciding exactly what combination of cash discount / feature bonuses would be most beneficial for you over the long-term.

Mark


Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Psyren
Posted on: 2007-05-06 20:22:00

How exactly would I go about doing that? I mean, they're hosted with Dreamhost but I dunno how to even go about getting a code like that set up?

Would anyone be willing to work with me and try to help me create a promo code? I dunno when I'll be able to next contact my friend and would want to move as soon as I could, if possible.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-06 20:36:00

Well, if you have a friend and use theirs, then they'll get the credit for you signing up. If you use the full $97, then he won't actually get anything unless you refer people--then he'll get $5 each.

If money is your main concern, then $97 is probably the way to go. That's how you get the 1st year for $22.40. The more features you use, the less you save at time of sign-up.

Out of that $97, you can subtract the following amounts for adding features:

Unique IPs: $30 each
Free Domain Registrations: $15 each
Added Bandwidth: $9 per 10% increase
Added Diskspace: $9 per 10% increase

So a code can be created with any combo of cash & features, up to $97 total.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Psyren
Posted on: 2007-05-06 20:47:00

Hmm....since I don't know when she'll be online next...I'd probably just use a new code like the one you mentioned etc.

There is a code to get a free domain name, correct? Would I be able to use that to keep my current free domain name from Elixant?

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-06 20:51:00

You already get a free domain registration with all plans, so you can use that and still use the $97 code for max savings.



Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Raz2133
Posted on: 2007-05-06 20:55:00

In reply to:

I'd probably just use a new code like the one you mentioned etc.


If you have a look around the forum you will find quite a few promo codes that offer a combination of features and cash discounts. If you can't find one that exactly meets your needs, then I'm sure someone here will be able to create one specifically for you. wink

In reply to:

Would I be able to use that to keep my current free domain name from Elixant?


You will receive one 'free' domain registration with your DreamHost plan, regardless of the promo code you use, this is a standard feature of all DreamHost plans. During the sign-up process you can choose to use this 'free' domain registration to transfer your existing domain from Elixant and the registration period will be extended by 12 months as part of the process.

Mark

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Psyren
Posted on: 2007-05-06 20:55:00

Hmm...now to figure out what I want to do....It's not like I hate or dislike my old host. I'm just not sure how much longer it'll be up. >_<

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Lensman
Posted on: 2007-05-06 20:56:00

Any DreamHost hosting plan will get you one free domain registration. You only need a special promo code if you want more than one free. Each extra free one takes off $15 from the discount you can get, but that free registration is worth $9.95 every year.

Are you that anxious that you wouldn't want to wait for your friend? I'm sure she could have some very good observations about hosting here.

What kind of web applications were you looking to host? DreamHost is a great place to host, but there *are* certain things that will get you in trouble here (but nothing that most people host, admittedly) - like applications that eat up lots of cpu.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Lensman
Posted on: 2007-05-06 20:59:00

Well, nothing hurts more than having your site down (other than having it lost).

Is it just a personal site or do you derive any income from it? Do many people depend on it for communication?

The transition is easier if your old site is still up.

Make sure to get a backup now if you're worried about the host going down!

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-06 21:00:00

If you're getting those feelings, it's probably time to bail.

If nothing else, keep very current backups of your own, ready to upload to a new host when things go wrong.

It's definitely better to do it on your own schedule, instead of theirs.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Psyren
Posted on: 2007-05-06 21:07:00

Yeah, I know. She's actually just someone who I asked to host my site on dreamhost (through her hosting plan) but she politely turned me down.

My site is midnightwaters.net (currently) and hosts my own personal stuff (mostly .mp3 files for voice acting), and both a friends' webcomic (catch-exception.midnightwaters.net) and eventually, a TCG that I own and run (currently at flyne.net/nibelheim), so the majority of it is just small stuff.

*Though I'd admittedly would like to add a forum and maybe some useful features for my TCG later on*

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-06 21:17:00

It looks like that domain name is in your host's name. I'd get that changed right away.

Even if you put off the hosting, make sure the domain registration is in your full control.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: infinitaus
Posted on: 2007-05-07 00:18:00

Do note that you will only receive $50.00 discount if you sign up Monthly L1, $60.00 discount if you sign up Monthly L2 and $80.00 discount if you sign up Monthly L3 instead of the original $97.00 from the promotional code. Perhaps you should go for the feature bonus promotional code for a better deal if you are paying monthly.

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Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Psyren
Posted on: 2007-05-07 15:17:00

Basically, I'd just write to them to request that they put my name in the domain's owner control, correct?

Also...maybe I just can't exactly tell but...about how much space, bandwidth, etc are in each plan? I have to admit I've had a bit of trouble deciding which plan might be best for me overall.

I currently have 500GB and 4GB bandwidth each month on my current plan and 10 subdomain accounts (with cPanel).

Again, all this help is very appreciated!

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Lensman
Posted on: 2007-05-07 15:30:00

I'd get the basic L1 plan. You can always upgrade later if you find you need the extra allowances.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-07 16:44:00

Well, the owner should be you. You can't transfer the domain anywhere, unless your email is listed. You can see the current contact info here.

I'd start by emailing your host and asking them what their procedure is. Personally, I don't like it when hosts put it in their name (Dreamhost doesn't--it will be in your name here).

Unless, of course, they gave you login info for a control panel where you can change the info yourself... then you'd have no need to contact them. Just update it.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: khatfield
Posted on: 2007-05-08 08:03:00

I feel I should reply to this as well. Someone mentioned that DH is down fairly often and I am on the Sprite server, my uptime is 99.9%. I rarely ever have an issue. I have been with many other hosts including (Bluehost, Netfirms, GoDaddy) and I could not be happier with Dreamhost.

They haven't been in business since 1997 without knowing how to run a business.

Save

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: anonymous2
Posted on: 2007-05-08 11:25:00

I agree with what everybody said. If you want a custom code, just let me know. cool

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: patricktan
Posted on: 2007-05-08 18:35:00

I've heard a lot of bad points about DH, about downtimes... But we are here... happily

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: nalgene1080
Posted on: 2007-05-08 18:39:00

It's true.. My friend had warned me that dreamhost wasn't AMAZING and that it had a bad rep but that it was slowly changing that.... well I'm here and I'm absolutely loving it. It's been nothing but a great experience for me so far.

http://www.jconnors.net -

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: patricktan
Posted on: 2007-05-08 18:41:00

sometimes traffic may be jammed in a shared server. but DH support is always here to manage. wink

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: nalgene1080
Posted on: 2007-05-08 18:46:00

DH Support is AMAZING (usually... with their response time...) I normally get an email back within an hour.

http://www.jconnors.net -

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Psyren
Posted on: 2007-05-09 19:36:00

What kind of custom code could you come up with?

Overall, I'm pretty sure I'll be moving to Dreamhost off of my old service, but I'll need to figure out my need for a promo code (saving the most money really, as I'm a college student).

And then...to figure out how to move. You've all been really helpful; I can't wait to see how this'll all go.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: nalgene1080
Posted on: 2007-05-09 20:11:00

Whatever you really need - I'm a college student too. City Streets (my website) is hosted here and I needed the cheapest option so I took the 97 dollar code. I can get you one if you'd like.

They're really whatever you need the most. If you need to have an IP because you need SSL then I can cook one of those up and still get you 67 off, if you need more space or bandwidth, those can be put into the code too.

I'd be happy to put one together or you can search for them "dreamhost promocodes" is a good query for google search.

http://www.jconnors.net -

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: anonymous2
Posted on: 2007-05-09 20:12:00

You start with $96 or $97 off the yearly (or 2-year) price, and subtract any multiples of the following:

In reply to:

Extra Disk Bonus?
You lose $9 of rewards per 10% disk you give

Extra Bandwidth Bonus?
You lose $9 of rewards per 10% bandwidth you give

Free Domain Registration Bonus?
You lose $15 of rewards per free lifetime domain registration you give

Unique IP Bonus?
You lose $30 of rewards per free lifetime unique IP you give


Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Psyren
Posted on: 2007-05-11 12:38:00

nalgene -> That'd be wonderful! Plus, I love your site (did you do all the random-image coding yourself?), I'd love to have your help with a site project I've got upcoming, if you have the time.

Now, to send for moving on my old host and I'll be on my way to joining dreamhost soon!

One final question...since I'm moving, do you all think I should change my domain name (currently midnightwaters.net) It's basically my group site (that hosts *hopefully eventually a blog, a friends' webcomic, an Online TCG *Trading Card Game*, my AVA *Amateur Voice Acting* files, etc.

I've always used midnightwaters, but perhaps with the switch of sites, I should get a new domain name, etc. ANy ideas? ^-^

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-11 13:08:00

That's just personal preference... but unless you also keep the old name and redirect the traffic to the new one, any current links, bookmarks & traffic you have will be gone. Same goes for email if you're using any addresses there.

Personally, unless there's a specific reason to change domains, I wouldn't bother.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Lensman
Posted on: 2007-05-11 14:07:00

I like having site-specific domain names, though that does get expensive unless you take advantage of one of the promo codes you find that lets you have multiple free domain name registrations (and even then, you're giving up more of your discount).

I like midnightwaters.net as representing *you*. It's nice to have something where you can have subdomains that don't sound or look weird. For instance, I have a domain supcomwiki.com and it would be odd to have something like commandandconquer.supcomwiki.com, but it wouldn't be odd at all to have commandandconquer.midnightwaters.net.

OTOH, as I said, for sites that you have big plans for, it's nice to have a SLD just for them. My wife's real estate site has its own SLD and eventually, she'll have a blog at blog.sld.tld, a wiki at wiki.sld.tld, a forum a forums.sld.tld, etc.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: dtb
Posted on: 2007-05-11 20:28:00

DO NOT GO WITH DREAMHOST!!! I'm stuck with a year contract with them, and I'm really kicking myself. My site is constantly down, and DH's tech support always responds to my support requests with rather ho-hum responses. If you don't care about your site being up all the time, then maybe DH is for you. Personally, I need reliability, and that's something that DH cannot offer.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: patricktan
Posted on: 2007-05-11 21:00:00

hi dtb, i've seen your post in another thread. You should contact DH support if you consistantly have this problem. You can even ask them to move you to another server.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-12 09:50:00

You already admitted in another post that you're too stupid to figure out how to leave and go to another host, so you're probably not qualified to give DH an accurate grade on their performance.


Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Weed
Posted on: 2007-05-12 10:03:00

hi patricktan - how can DH support be contacted when the support page isn't working? (as has been the case for me for the last few hours... trying to report that half my DH hosted sites are down with a "bad_httpd_conf" error)

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-12 10:20:00

http://www.dreamhost.com/contact.cgi

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Weed
Posted on: 2007-05-12 11:46:00

hi seiler - thanks for that - yes, you're right (i've just received confirmation that DH Technical Support can be contacted via Sales) - Weed

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Justmade
Posted on: 2007-05-12 17:55:00

In reply to:

My site is constantly down, and DH's tech support always responds to my support requests with rather ho-hum responses. If you don't care about your site being up all the time, then maybe DH is for you. Personally, I need reliability, and that's something that DH cannot offer.


In my observation, DH is having some downtime but really not much. You might get more uptime for some expensive and aimed for uptime hosts but the price-quality ratio here is very high.

So, if you need to guarantee your uptime to a extreamly high level like 99.99%, prepare to pay for it elsewhere. If you can live for generally 99.9% and sometime 99.5%, DH provide a very low cost hosting service for you.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: rlparker
Posted on: 2007-05-12 19:22:00

In reply to:

My site is constantly down, and DH's tech support always responds to my support requests with rather ho-hum responses.


In your other post in another thread, you said your site was down "about once a week", but now it is "constantly" down...which is it?

As for the "rather ho-hum responses", what does that mean in clear and precise terms?

How are we supposed to give due consideration to your opinions when you vary wildly in what you report and use terms like "ho-hum" to describe support's response?

Three posts, two different stories...and no details. Do I smell a troll? As for the being stuck with a year contract, I'm assuming that means you are past the 97 days "full refund guarantee" limitation...it's really sad that it took you over three months of a site that was "constantly down" before you realized you were not receiving adequate reliability for your purposes (or could it be that your site has *not* actually been down that months, but your are just frustrated at some recent downtime?)

Well, take heart! With a good promo code used when you signed up, that whole year's contract might have cost you around $25.00...bummer! wink

--rlparker

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: dtb
Posted on: 2007-05-13 18:31:00

rlparker,

Umm, no, you don't smell a troll. If you need to know, then techincally speaking, "about once a week" would be more accurate than "constantly", in terms of my site being inaccessible. But in terms of the reliability that one would (or should) expect from their ISP, being down once a week might as well equate to "constantly". What do you think?

You want details? Well, I signed up with Dreamhost after I began having problems with my router at home. Up until that time, I was hosting both a web server and a CVS repository to share code amongst the various developers who were working with me on a project. After I upgraded the firmware on my router, it for whatever reason decided to stop assigning my server the same IP address, even though it was configured to do so. I checked online, and found a few people having the same problem. So I weighed my options, and finally decided that I was tired of dealing with networking issues, and I'd let the "professionals" do it instead. I found Dreamhost and saw that they offered CVS repository hosting. So I registered a domain name, and signed up with them.

My first problem occurred a few weeks after I signed up. I was meeting with one of my developers, and he tried to check out our project's code from the CVS repository. Well, the repository was inaccessible. Furthermore, pings to the domain name and attempts to access the website were also unsuccessful. Needless to say, that meeting wound up being mostly a waste of time.

I contacted Dreamhost about that incident, and they told me something about a denial of service attack being apparently launched against the server on which I was hosted, from Turkey:
"It appears as if a site on your server had been under a DDOS attack,
after firewalling over 50 Turkish IPs that where part of the attack
your server seems to be back to a stable state."
Okay, fine. I accepted that it was possible for such an attack to occur coincidentally at the time I was trying to access my server. A subsequent attempt by the developer to access the code from the CVS repository was successful.

The bulk of the project I was working on wasn't to take place until later. The next phase took place, yes, after the 97 day refund period, or at least, very close to that cutoff point. I set up a Rails project and began building out the project's website. My schedule was such that I would work on a piece of the site for a few hours at a time, but usually I'd work on each piece once a week. Pretty much everytime I would try to begin working on the site, it would be down. Completely inaccesible. Sometimes I would contact Dreamhost, and the "ho-hum" response I would receive would be like this one:
"I tested your site, and it seems to be working just fine."
Yeah, great; that helped out.

The last time this happened, it was just one too many times, and I decided that contacting customer support alone (which I dutifully did, anyway) wasn't fixing the problem. So I thought I would express my opinions on this board. It could be completely coincidental, but this time around, support actually seems to be trying to rectify the problem this time.

At any rate, rlparker, I'm curious as to why you have a problem with someone voicing disappointment with a server that they are receiving. Do you work for Dreamhost and simply dislike any negative feedback? Do you not believe that a paying customer should have the right to voice disappointment? Or do your expectations with an ISP simply differ widly from mine?

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: seiler
Posted on: 2007-05-13 19:04:00

That was a lot of typing, considering you didn't say much.

Short version:

I can't configure my own router, but I'm qualified to narrow problems down to Dreamhost's network.

I say constantly when I mean once a week.

I also refer to Dreamhost as "my ISP."


Smart.


Couldn't reach my site once because of a DDoS attack.

That's life. It happens with all hosts.



I couldn't reach my site, but support said it was fine.

That might mean more with tracert results. Do you think they were just lying to you because they were bored?

You sound more like someone with a crappy ISP (that's not Dreamhost) that's trying to blame Dreamhost (web host).

You also seem to be saying you've never had a hosting account before DH, which means you have nothing to compare it to.

I think you'll find that a lot of the people that are happy here, have a much better grasp of how things work, and base their opinions on real experience and having dealt with multiple hosts.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Mousee
Posted on: 2007-05-13 19:18:00

I believe rlparker just mirrors many of our sentiments (and past observations) on "new" forum users who have only really ever posted to complain, and seemingly to the degree of what one would normally consider a "troll" - hence it's questioning your post, as did I also question it.

However, I'll certainly agree that DreamHost has been having a greater amount of issues lately than it seems to have had in the past.
On my server specifically, minus the the last couple weeks of fileserver issues (slow NFS = dead site) which are just bound to happen on any shared host from time to time, I've found there to be a Perl "lock" manager issue on it which has been plaguing my site with downtime for probably a while longer than I'd originally noticed. However, my contact in support the first time I mentioned I *thought* it might be a Perl issue, was very helpful in resolving the issue expediently and I can now forward such repeat issues over to them in the future. Mind you this is with my own custom PHP install, and so I've taken measures to ensure that my entire site (specifically the forums) doesn't use perl, and only the specific module I require it for does now instead.

Anyways, in that regard I'm personally quite happy thus far with support. As with any shared (or most), working *with* support to resolve an issue is a must. If you expected things to just run smoothly, then you shouldn't have chosen a shared host for your projects. I'm unaware of any shared host that doesn't have occasional problems.

If anything, and you can afford it, I'd recommend going with a VPS. Managed or unmanaged (cheaper), they typically provide *far* superior service in regards to stability/uptime.

Anyways, hopefully they resolve the issues with your server. That doesn't sound like too much fun at all, and I strongly encourage you to work with support on it as much as possible before giving up! If your contact in support doesn't help you whatsoever (ie. in your example: "works for me!") and they don't give you any ideas/suggestions as to what it might be, then give them a bad rating in the link provided in each email you receive from them. From what several employees have stated in the past, their support rating system is highly used by DH to gauge an employee's err.. "usefulness".

Chips N Cheese - Custom PHP installs and the like!

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: rlparker
Posted on: 2007-05-13 19:53:00

Well, I am *glad* that your post is not just a "troll" expressing his/her frustrations. wink

In reply to:

But in terms of the reliability that one would (or should) expect from their ISP, being down once a week might as well equate to "constantly". What do you think?


I think there is a *huge* difference, *particularly* for an "ISP" (or a web hosting service, which is a very different beast than an ISP, as that term is typically used), between being "down" *about* "once a week" and being "down constantly". In the one instance, even though there could be other connectivity issues that prevented you from "reaching your stuff" besides a DH problem, you are talking about an "inconvenient" circumstance that is infrequent and may be short lived, and in the other, you are describing a situation where it is always unreachable. These are very different things.

In reply to:

You want details?... (edit out he was having router problems so decided to use a hosting service instead of rolling his own - has a flaky and misbehaving router...hmmmm)...My first problem occurred a few weeks after I signed up.... "It appears as if a site on your server had been under a DDOS attack...A subsequent attempt by the developer to access the code from the CVS repository was successful.


Okay, I see. After a few weeks, the server you were hosted on suffered a DDOS attack. DH dealt with it (so you wouldn't have to). Such is the nature of shared hosting. This happens all the time, and no hosting service is immune to such things. frown

In reply to:

The next phase took place, yes, after the 97 day refund period, or at least, very close to that cutoff point. I set up a Rails project ... I'd work on each piece once a week. Pretty much everytime I would try to begin working on the site, it would be down. Completely inaccesible. Sometimes I would contact Dreamhost...


And they couldn't find a problem with your site. That sounds very much like something more likely related to your rails development, other "site specific" issue, or your ISP (or your router) than it does the web hosting company's connectivity.

In reply to:

So I thought I would express my opinions on this board. It could be completely coincidental, but this time around, support actually seems to be trying to rectify the problem this time.


...At any rate, it happened one time too many, and you went into rant mode looking for extra attention...I got it! wink Communication skills do not appear to be one of your strongest assets. I've *never* had to resort to exaggerated claims of downtime in order to get tech support to research issues I may be having, but obviously YMMV.

In reply to:

At any rate, rlparker, I'm curious as to why you have a problem with someone voicing disappointment with a server that they are receiving.


Actually, dtb, I'm curious as to why you choose to characterize my posts that way. I have *no* problem whatsoever with someone expressing their "disappointment" when something is not working out for them, and I have done so myself on several occasions on these forums. That said, there is a way to express that disappointment that is equitable and fair-minded, and that is the way the professionals communicate their dissatisfaction. Characterizing your frustration with 2 instances of downtime in approximately the first 3 months as "constantly down", is neither accurate or fair minded no matter how frustrated you are; it's just so much drama. *That* kind of misleading post will often get a response from me simply because it is very often driven more by frustration than it is by facts, and I think that, particularly when one is advising others as to a course of action, *facts* are important to establish credibility (particularly for new poster to these forums).

In reply to:

Do you work for Dreamhost and simply dislike any negative feedback? Do you not believe that a paying customer should have the right to voice disappointment?


Well, there it is..that same tired old line from a new user who just can't believe anybody other than a DH employee would want him to back up his comments with a little hard information. DH employees (and I am *not*, nor have I ever been, a DH employee) are clearly indicated as such on these forums (in the rare event you see one here).

In reply to:

Or do your expectations with an ISP simply differ wildly from mine?


We certainly have different ideas as to how we deal with them if we have a problem.

I think that whether it is an ISP, a Web Hosting Provider, or my Dry-cleaner I have an expectation that they will do their best to provide the service I require...if and when they *don't*, I expect to engage them in discussion to solve the problem, and I'll do that in a professional manner. When a given problem turns out to be more difficult to solve than I would like it to be, I either decide to continue the dialog in hopes of resolving the issue, or that it is not worth my time and effort to continue to work toward fixing it, and I'll take my business elsewhere. I do that *without* going onto a public forum and posting *exaggerated* claims of "how badly I was served"..and I would never do that as a "cry for attention" if my communications skills had otherwise failed me.

We may, or may not, have similar expectations as to what reasonable service for any given price might be but we *clearly* have *wildly different* attitudes on how to best resolve problems when doing business with others. wink

So at the end of the day, it looks as though you are either gonna have to change hosts or hang around and deal with the tech support people after all...whatever you decide to do, I wish you the best of luck with it all.

--rlparker

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: dtb
Posted on: 2007-05-13 20:27:00

"I can't configure my own router, but I'm qualified to narrow problems down to Dreamhost's network."

Go back and re-read my post. I said neither.

"I say constantly when I mean once a week."
..."I also refer to Dreamhost as "my ISP.""
Fine, 'hosting provider'. Yeah, you're right then... I must have been imagining my site outages because of incorrect terminology!

"That's life. It happens with all hosts."

And if that was the end of it, well, that would've been the end of it.

"Do you think they were just lying to you because they were bored?"

No. I do, however, know that once I made a fuss, they switched me to another (apparently) more reliable server. Could be a coincidence, I fully agree. But it would've been great for this to have been done sooner.

"You also seem to be saying you've never had a hosting account before DH, which means you have nothing to compare it to."
Nice assumption, but that's not the case at all. I've been with numerous hosting providers, and continue to be with Verio (I've actually used them since 1996 when they were Best Internet, later bought by Verio) as my main hosting provider.

And as I've mentioned before, I'd maintained my own server quite happily for years. When I had static IP address through Qwest, it was cake. In general, the only time my server was down was when the power was out at my house. Running it without static IPs had been tougher, but doable with a dynamic IP service. It was only when my router stopped reliably assigning a dedicated IP address to my server that I was no longer able to. I decided that rather than dealing with router issues, which is not something I enjoy, I'd go with a hosting service.

"I think you'll find that a lot of the people that are happy here,"
That's great, really. But it has no bearing on my experience with DH. I'm certainly not going to poll the current users of the service as to how good their experience has been before I post the problems I've had. Please also note the desription of this particular forum: "A forum for potential DreamHost customers to ask current customers about their likes, dislikes, and general impressions with the service."

" have a much better grasp of how things work,"
Phht. Yeah, I'm just an idiot, that's it. Look, I have an understanding of how things work. But my forte is in developing software, not running servers. If I had a complete understanding of running a server and keeping it online... well, I wouldn't be using a hosting service.

"and base their opinions on real experience and having dealt with multiple hosts"
As I've done.


Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: dtb
Posted on: 2007-05-13 20:29:00

Mousee,

Thanks for the response and the info. It's only been a few days, but their switching me to a new server seems to have provided not only better reliability (in that I haven't yet unseccessfully tried to access either my site or CVS repository) but there is a very noticable performance improvement.

Re: Looking at Dreamhost...

Posted by: Psyren
Posted on: 2007-05-14 07:58:00

Yeah, I saw something like a VPS other places, but like I said, I'm a soon-to-be grad of college. I don't have enough money to pay for all of that otherwise. >_<;

I'm definately very psyched about Dreamhost, overall.

So, would I be able to sign up for the Level 3 (Code Monster) plan for just $22.00 for the first year? I'm also trying to figure out the best way for me to pay as well. The setup I used before (4-time a year payment plan) worked very well for me, as it split it up into manageable segments for me to handle. There's nothing like that here, I guess?

And...if Code Monster turns out to be too expensive, I'll probably just go with the Level 1 plan then. ^-^

Edited by Psyren on 05/14/07 11:15 AM (server time).

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