You keep floating around a '$74' saving figure everywhere, but you really are quite misleading in quoting that figure.
Chris, they charge me $79.95 here at DreamHost. Over at HostMonster, I am now charged $4.95.
$79.95 - 4.95 = $75.00. My version was approximate since I couldn recall if it was $79.00 or $79.95 being charged. I just looked it up and THANK YOU! $75.00 worth of savings by choosing HostMonster over DreamHost! I hardly think that a $1.00 difference is HARDLY misleading! <G>
And let's not forget! DreamHosts hidden charges! LOL!!!
"Since you didn't pick up on it when I posted about it before, here it is broken down for you, so even you might be able to understand.
"Host Monster offer a package that is 200GB storage, and 2TB a month bandwidth. The equivalent package here at DH is the 'Crazy Domain Insane!' package, which is $7.95 a month when you pay 2 yearly, $9.95 otherwise. However, you are quoting the price for the 'Strictly Business' package, which is completely different. This makes you either:
1. Stupid
2. A Liar
or 3. Misleading"
I think you're the one having trouble picking up. I switched to a lower plan. DreamHost is charging $7.95 per two year advance payment, while Hostmonster is only charging $4.95 and provides customer support with real live people, a telephone support service center, and these people at HostMonster know what they're doing.
I still save...and I get fantastic service. Like Night and day.
"of which 2 & 3 are exactly the accusations you are throwing around."
Not my fault you can't pick up on the concept of savings and service!
"I've noticed that you love throwing the word 'dissent' around for some strange reason, to try and make yourself sound smart or something."
Assume ~ ass/u/me ~ Remember that breakdown.
As for trying to make myself sound smart...you and your arguments are doing that for me. I don't need to make any effort. Why would the word "dissent" make someone smarter, not more foolish. It is the argument in the debate on which you must rely, but more importantly, the final conclusions from both sides at the end.
"I'm going to go with option 1 then. I wouldn't like to think you were a hypocrite after all."
Your options are incomplete, based on your own spin, and illogical since ~ if you omit all the options ~ then the Truth cannot be arrived at with a few that aren't "missing." All the options must be there. And you are showing yourself a liar, deceiptful, dishonest, a hypocrite, by omitting other options as True.
"That's OK though, some people are stupid and can't help it, and we just have to work with them."
No you don't! DreamHost just takes there money and shuts them down whenever they feel like it! <G>
At least, until they get caught.
"Now, onto your next point. The reason I haven't made a single penny out of referring anyone was because I signed up 2 days ago, after being quite dissatisfied with other hosting companies."
A word for you: "Amway!" Your chances are better...
I like this one, and I can see myself staying. I will see how it goes in the 97 days, but I can't see myself moving to be honest.
Sure! Stay and be dishonest with the rest of DreamHost! If you don't mind, I'll be leaving on the 31st! When they push the button that removes all my information from their server! Then I sue! That's why they increasingly don't like me anymore! BOO HOO!
They've got Federal and Civil complaints heading their way.
"Now, comparing me to world dictators."
Actually, that's another assumption. I was comparing you to a lemming-like follower of the same. Don't rate yourself that high at the end of a rope! I don't have a picture phone yet! <G>
Technically, you should have invoked Godwin's law at the mention of Hitler and automatically lost :P
"Godwin's Law" is a joke. Again, it's one of those one-sided arguments that doesn't take everything into account, and the main thing being left out, is the issue that Hitleresque behavior is not being done by Hitler to Americans, but rather, by Americans to Americans, and in this case, by so-called Americans to one of those (and no doubt others) who served on the frontlines, bought these people the opportunity to be "Free," and then look what they do! Trample over the Law and the Civil Rights of others!
"Godwin's Law" is only cited by those WITH losing arguments and claims that they are not behaving like dictators and despots, when their conduct clearly states otherwise.
"But I'll let that one slide just so I can say, boy, you really are stupid."
Yeah, and I'm saving $75.00 (THANK YOU) a month now, receiving incredible Customer Service, have phone contact Business 2 Business ~ a sign of mutual respect since they also have it with me ~ and you're not winning arguments nor convincing anyone that DreamHost is the right choice.
You haven't convinced me...only a bunch of lap dogs that can't see the light any better than you, since your master wants to keep you in the dark as though you were a sheepdog. And maybe not even some of them, since not are all deaf or dumb, as they are blinded by the lack of a mere haircut.
"I didn't say I didn't like it, or that I don't agree with it, just that I don't give a damn about it. We have freedom of speech in the UK too you know..."
That's not the way you came across in your message. It's that simple. Now you've corrected your statement so it's better understood. Which is what Freedom of Speech is all about. Right and Wrong statements. Upholding that which is right. Making your position clear, even if you're wrong. Correcting yourself if you realize you were wrong. Allowing someone to make a statement that is right or wrong, and/or correct it if in error by text, not meaning.
Which is the very reason why we CARE about the First Amendment here, and Civil Rights are an all the time thing here. There wouldn't be Courts if they weren't important. Just Gulags, Death Camps, Clandestine Prisons...oh!
And Guantanamo!
"Next: You keep saying that people are deleting threads and complaining about it, but I'd love to know why this one hasn't gone if that is the case? Maybe you can enlighten me?"
Your Boyz at DreamHost are afraid to delete this, otherwise, they're guilty as alleged, or so they think. I've already got a record of other deleted threads, so they're guilty anyway. However, they've been challenged by my opening and several subsequent statements that they will shut this thread down. So now it's a matter of how long they will keep it open, until they realize that they're risking losing people in droves.
I'm getting the same features, but better service, by switching from their outrageous "Strictly Business Plan" (Strictly if they like you, that is...right Jeff C?) to HostMonster and paying only $4.95 a month, currently beating all their plans, and getting tremendous customer service by telephone with real human contact, caring people in other words...and everyone else stands to do the same by coming here, reading the complaints against DreamHost in DreamHost's own forum, and going away to someone else, which sends DreamHost's business into the toilet and it's their own hands doing the flushing.
Conundrum..Horns of a Dilemma...Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
They've painted themselves into a corner ~ censor and save business, but take on a new complaint in Court; don't censor, let the People read the Truth about them, lose business and/or fail; get flexible, start competing with those trying to undermine them, provide better service, lower prices and telephone support, and continue to survive.
Only the last scenario is win-win for them and me! <G>
They need to change their ways, here. They need to stop being Tony Montanas here and start being Peter Uberoths.
Their customers cannot be nameless, faceless, voiceless, anymore. Otherwise, they're going to fail anyhow. A few of you will be satisfied, but that does not mean you will be enough to save DreamHost finanically.
And I exist to rub that fact in their faces. They can eat crow, provide better service and survive; or they can burn in hell for all I care. I'm tired of frauds, con artists, liars and thieves, and I will not let up on any of them until they do the right thing or they're sitting their fannies in prison.
"Now I could tell you where to take your '$74 savings' combined with accusations of 'Poor Arguments' and shove them, but I'm not going to resort to (too many!) personal attacks, 'cause that just gets messy."
I already took my $75.00 (THANK YOU) in savings to HostMonster...and an allusion to what you're referring to is no different than being a man and just saying it, as opposed to looking like a verbal, moral, coward. Just say it...be a man. I could care less where you think my savings should be "stuck," or "shoved," or where the moon shines or doesn't. Could care less. In particular, that's because their voice already has no meaning with the people they are sadly trying to defend; so what do I care what the nameless, faceless, sightless, voiceless, hearing imparied, have to say in support of the unjust?
"Finally, I don't know who you are agreeing with when you say "And yeah, I have to agree...this DreamHost Control Panel sucks, too.", but I certainly didn't say that, and noone else I have seen has said that either. Care to rephrase your 'poor arguments' accusation while misquoting people there?"
Someone said CPanel sucked. I just agreed. It was in the argument I was referring and responding to...and still is there.
"I'd love for you to point out the flaws in my argument, please go ahead."
Not tonight. I'm tired. I'll take a break and be back again tomorrow.
"And just a word of advice: Maybe if you had been a bit more polite in the first place, people would be more willing to help you with your problems and give you the support you need."
Oooooo...sounds like someone is feeding you with incorrect information. Or you're back to assumptions again! Get your facts straight! And remember, I'm not required to be "nice" when someone fails to do the job I'm paying them to do! And these people have been paid, in full, in advance even, and are in serious trouble for playing the high and mighty and forgetting that now, cliche, statement of fact:
"Be careful of the fingers you step on while climbing the ladder of life; they may be attached to the ass you have to kiss on the way down!"
And that's one of my basic complaints against these people: their own founders, their own leaders, have worked with them (the so-called "employee-owners") person to person, and they (the employee owners) brag about it on the internet ~ here on this site and at their personal blogs.
However, when it comes to customer service, they totally abandon what they've been taught ~ the kindnesses that they've experienced ~ and turn around and treat people (their Customers) like dirt because they think it's funny, and in maltreating others, embarass those who tried to teach them right and cost those people business, if not their entire business operations, as those people who are their "leaders" are now faced with Court actions because their employees acted spitefully and were in the wrong, in total opposition to what they were taught!
Be GLAD that has not happened to you! But it already has happened to many others. And the information is out there, easy enough to find, I'm sure you've seen it because I doubt this is the first time you've come to the Defense of DreamHost against their victims...and yet, as long as it isn't happening to you, you're okay with it.
And millions of Jews say "Never Forget," and the best anyone here can do is quote me the absurd "Godwin's Law" (of copping out and doing what is expedient on behalf of Machiavelli!)
Truly...is that how it works with you.
"The support here has been great so far when I have asked them anything, and I can imagine that they would show you little interest when you start throwing around that attitude."
They're paid to do a job. I don't have to suck up to them to get the job done. We have a contract. There are Laws that determine what is reasonable and unreasonable in the interpretation of a contract. I do not pay them to lie to me nor about me. I do not pay them to be hypocrites towards me. If they "increasingly don't like" me, I could care less. This is business, and I abhor ANY suggestion that I should buy my friends. I'd rather not have a one, anyone in Business who proposes such a thing to me, is cleary speaking as my enemy.
I'm so glad you're not in business.
"You come on here, onto the forum for this site, bad mouth the company & say you are gonna put the same message on '70 ' of your sites, threaten legal action... dude, if you don't like the hosting here, just leave it & go somewhere else."
Why, when I'm paying to be here and the problem is that the business involved has poor customer service or is breaching contract or violating the Law or operating as a Fraud.
Your solutions are expedient ~ to just walk away. I'm not trained in that manner. My training involves fixing the problem on the spot, and not leaving it for other to fix, nor to be harmed by, nor to be blamed for.
"It's exactly that kind of attitude which will mean you won't get on with anyone you deal with in life, and they are likely to show you little sympathy when you are having problems."
Not when the first offense(s) are committed against me. I'm not initiating here, only responding.
"No one does business by throwing accusations around and trying to spread a 'hate campaign' about the company."
To blanket a statement, too generic. Look around, use the Google Search Engine, use the term "DreamHost Complaints" when you do. You are either seriously in error or a bald faced liar. Go get the correct information, and come back and tell us which. Just remember, I'm out of here no later than January 31, 2007, and on your master's fannies after that...with lawyers. They were told. The moment I said "I want contact information for your Attorneys," they should have had Attorney contact information to me and spoken only through Attorneys. They have compromised themselves badly, and quite frankly, believing what you espouse here, if they in reality, have not personally put these words in your mouth. I will give you that they didn't, but the mentality is the same. Expedience. It causes problems to have to be fixed over and over again, with no sign of resolution or closure, as opposed to fixing the problem the first time, once and for all.
You solutions are cause to the problem, not correction of the same.
"I'm very sorry you have had a bad experience, but what you are doing (or attempting to do) is pathetic."
I thank you for the former, and as for the latter, we have Laws, a Bill of Rights and a Constitution in this country, and I am sworn to uphold all and have never been, nor ever will be, unsworn from that duty.
And I was sworn by the Federal Government. And I am still sworn by the Federal Government. Our contract is such that it only ends when I'm dead. That's because I was a Sergeant in the United States Army, and I don't kiss A$$ ~ I only kick it!
Unfortunately for DreamHost ~ and you speak as though you are one of their employees, referencing your remark, "The Company" ~ I don't know what's in your contract, but I know what's in mine. And with the handing of gun and the grenade, not to mention the Screaming Eagle patch on my shoulder, they agreed in that moment to the part about "kicking A$$!"
We have Code of Conduct and Standards of Conduct. Businesses have them too, but note how little the bad ones mention about such Standards of Business Conduct and Code of Business Conduct. They exist everywhere, in the words I've just stated.
Your customers first...not your vanity. Business first...bribes unacceptable. I'm not buying DreamHost's friendship. This is all about Business, and now it's all about Law.
Your buddies have tried to twist it into something else...a defense for themselves in the end...it failed before I even entered into contract with them. Severability in a contract says so...the Law has precendence over contact issues in conflict with the Law.
Even if they offered their friendship for free, the souls are not worthy of the friendship of the people they will cheat in a moment's notice, simply because, you're friends souls are either lacking, or they have no souls.
And just important...the suddenly wealthy have a way of forgetting what it is, for themselves and others, to struggle.
That is the legacy the subordinates of DreamHost's owners are leaving to their mentors...
...and to all.
